Sunday, April 02, 2006

Brow-raising events

Hello all. I have currently come across some information that I found very interesting and brow-raising. I have been reading a book called "The Vision." It was written in April of 1973. The author, David Wilkerson, claims to have had a vision from God about the future. Now, I am pretty skeptical of visions or prophecies, and this book was no exception. However, as I read on, I became less skeptical as some of the events mentioned are very real today.

Here are just a few events from the book that were predicted back in 1973: Wilkerson predicts a moral landslide. Along with many other moral issues regarding sex, he wrote, "Also available will be the same triple-X-rated video tapes for private home use. These video tapes can be played on any TV set with an electronic attachment." This is very widespread and commonplace today.

This one you are really going to think is nuts....only a day or two ago, I read about this in the newspaper. Wilkerson writes, "I predict that the time is not far off when senior high school and college students will be exposed to sex education films featuring sexual foreplay and intercourse. They will be advertised as being 'very tastefully done' by professionals." There are now college classes at big universities where watching pornography is the norm and expected.

Let me remind you that this book was written in 1973. There are many other predicted events in this book that have already occurred. Others are in the midst of occurring. One such prediction was that there is going to be more rioting, like in the 60's. Except, this time it is going to be by Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. Hello? Is that not in the process of occurring as we speak?

So, you may be wondering what the moral of the story is. Well, much of the book tells of terrible calamity for our future society. Sexual immorality, natural disasters, children turning on their parents, etc. Believing in Jesus, trusting in Jesus, and following Jesus is going to be the only way to keep you from hell in these horrible times to come. When the world around us falls apart and there is nothing good left, we can have hope of something better. I will have hope and assurance that Jesus will save me when all in the world is empty and useless.

These things are real. Or get a copy and see for yourself. The Vision, by David Wilkerson, Spire Books.

Thanks for reading,
Tracy

12 comments:

Kwame said...

<< However, as I read on, I became less skeptical as some of the events mentioned are very real today. >>

I would stay pretty skeptical. Any person who is a savvy observer and who knows how to connect dots can make good predictions....


<< Here are just a few events from the book that were predicted back in 1973: Wilkerson predicts a moral landslide. Along with many other moral issues regarding sex, he wrote, "Also available will be the same triple-X-rated video tapes for private home use. These video tapes can be played on any TV set with an electronic attachment." >gt;

...For example, commerical VCRs actually have been around since the late 1950s while the sale of Betamax began in 1975 and VHS began the following year. Meanwhile, remember the times and the place in which Wilkerson was in 1973 when cities had their red light districts, special theaters, and people looking for new ways to make money and expand their markets. Wilkerson is someone who knows what is going on around him.


<< Wilkerson writes, "I predict that the time is not far off when senior high school and college students will be exposed to sex education films featuring sexual foreplay and intercourse. They will be advertised as being 'very tastefully done' by professionals." >>

Having observed the new age of sexual licentiousness that had dawned well before 1973 and given the observable role that the academy or the university has played in the social revolution of the last 40 years, the notion that Wilkerson makes his prediction by divine insight should be held suspect.


<< Let me remind you that this book was written in 1973. There are many other predicted events in this book that have already occurred. Others are in the midst of occurring. One such prediction was that there is going to be more rioting, like in the 60's. Except, this time it is going to be by Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. Hello? Is that not in the process of occurring as we speak? >>

I may have missed news reports of rioting in the U.S. done by Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. However, the one thing that I have seen on TV consistently over the course of the past few days or weeks is mere and simple street demonstrations and protests by pro-immigrant youths and folks who apparently are Mexicans and other Mesoamericans.

Meanwhile, on another Web site Wilkerson apparently issues more predictions (many of which have NOT taken place) and goes as far to as to give himself an escape clause that calls for Christians to pray that the 42nd (?) President of the U.S. turns out to be another "Josiah." Moreover, Wilkerson is not the only one to have issued warnings about potential unrest by Mexicans in the U.S.; such a thing was discussed in a Yahoo! news story about MS-13 a while back.


<< I will have hope and assurance that Jesus will save me when all in the world is empty and useless. >>

kewl. Praise God.


<< These things are real. Or get a copy and see for yourself. The Vision, by David Wilkerson, Spire Books. >>

There are few books in this world worth buying. The library, preferably a college library, is the way to go. Yet even before you go to the library you can just sit at home and read book reviews and analyses on the Internet before you waste money on a road trip to the library or on a useless book that will leave you $20 poorer at the end of your life.


<< Thanks for reading, >>

Thanks for posting.

Russ said...

I agree that David Wilkerson has been instrumental in the mission to spread The Word of Jesus Christ. I have personal experience from June 4th, 1979. This is the day that I stood at my work in an off-shore oil drilling oil transfer operations. I was with the chief operations paint manager, when I gave my life to Christ.Up until that point, my view of Christians were those who knocked at your door at any hour and relentlessly tried to save your soul with odd publications. Here, were every type of individual. Bearded and tattooed men, rough ladies, those of all shapes and sizes. They cared about me. They cared about sharing the true message of The Lord. I will never forget that day. They knew that I had given my life to The Lord when I went back into the shop. I felt different, I looked different, and they just knew. Mr. Wilkerson was a very dominant part of what was then, Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim. I was baptised with a fello ironworker there. I still am very good friends with him. Early TBN times saw Benny Hinn ( spelling ?), Jan and Paul,and many evangalists there. I was healed of a disease that someday I may share.This was a malady that modern medicine cannot heal. I'll leave that, at that for now. Wilkerson took a lot of heat for owning airplanes, gaining wealth from his publications, etc. So what? Don't we all gain better financial stability when we are successful? Read Wilkerson's book. I lived in those times and became a Christian during those times. Mr. Robert's layed hands on me. This is not the Russ you know today and this makes you skeptical? Let me just say that you did not know me BEFORE I was saved. Oh yes, I am a miracle. Read the book. It is full of fascinating truths.

Russ

Russ said...

Book Buying postscript:

I do not go by book reviews any analyses, nor have I ever. I make my own reviews and make up my own mind.

Those who review take portions of a publication to promote their view. I read the entire publication and decide on my own.

But, that's just me..

Russ

Tracy said...

I agree with the both of you on different issues. First, Kwame, I think that you are right about being skeptical. Although it is very interesting information from the book, I need to be careful. I do not accept the book's predictions as "truth". However, don't you think that it could be possible that this man got a vision from God regarding all of the issues mentioned in his book?

I have to admit, I did not do my research regarding when VCRs came about. I was under the assumption that they were not available yet.

In regard to the section about rioting....no, rioting has not occurred yet. However, things do seem to be headed that way.

Even though I understand your skepticism, and agree to a certain extent, I still find it necessary to ask the question of "what if". Maybe Wilkerson is just very aware of society and his surroundings. But, maybe he really was given a vision.

This is where I begin to agree with Russ. If the information from Wilkerson is tested through the bible and is sound, what is the trouble with it? If people's lives are being changed in part due to reading his work, I think that is a good thing.

Last, I agree with the both of you in regards to reading the book. Kwame, I agree that it is important to read reviews of the book. However, like Russ said, I also believe it is sometimes important to read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I think you should draw your own conclusions with the willingness to hear others opinions in the case that their conclusions make just as much or more sense than your own.

Russ said...

Riots ( in my opinion )as predicted in Scripture will be of a magnitude where there is no question of it's being Scriptural. I think that as Christians, we will recognize these times.

On another previously mentioned venue; Book reviewers are doing their job. They must be good at it. I have no problems with reviewers as people. As I said, it is only my thing that I do not care for reviews. Part of this is the mystery of the wholeness of the book. I do not wish my readings to have been tainted by knowing parts of the book and how it has been painted by reviews. I love a cold read.

Think of and consider the geometric progression of Wilkerson's writings. They were a part of my being saved. My witness has been a part of others being saved. I confessed my belief in the sanctity of Jesus Christ in my weekly newspaper column ( under direct warnings as to potential repercussions). I got a buttload of positive letters on that deal. Wilkerson said that he was not much of a Christian, but was one. He was but one witness. Russ says ditto to that.

Wilkerson predicted events. As far as I can remember he never misquoted scripture in it. His opinion was based upon solid scripture. Wilkerson was just a man.

If not for the events in my life in '79. there would have been no Tracy, no Melissa.

So I gotta say, without reservation, God is great.

Russ

Anonymous said...

It is possible that the people chosen for a review must be reputable. If I respect what they say, I do not need to read every book to find out if what they are saying is accurate or not.

What about extending this to movies as well. If an organization or reveiwer whose ideas I respect tell me that The Last Temptation of Christ does not portray Christianity or Jesus in a positive light, I do not need to see the movie to follow their judgement.

Similarly, if a liberal reviewer says the movie (or book) is great and a must see for all, I do not need to go see the movie to find out if what they are talking about is accurate.

I am sure I am not alone, but I don't have time to read every single book out there to get an accurate representation of the ideas inside, if the reveiwer has done a decent job in representing the views.

Derrick Bright said...

Hey Anon,

I can definately understand what you're talking about not being able to read every book that comes out, particularly with the time commitment that books require even more than movies. I like reading Children's Lit, but I don't even get to read that because of time; that's why I ask my students if they like a book. :-)

Russ, I can also appreciate your point about reading a book sometimes regardless of what a reviewer says. My difficulty with that is that whole time thing.

Enjoying the posts, folks. It seems we need to get Tracy to post more...All in favor say, aye. AYE!!

Much lovem
Derrick

Tracy said...

On this issue of book reviews.....I can think of one book in particular that got bad reviews from Christians because of information that was not at all accurate. We knew, through reviews, that this book had historically wrong information that misrepresented Christ. However, I know many people who read it anyway. Can you guess? It is the DaVinci Code. I did not read it, mostly because I just wasn't very interested. But, there were many Christians, and non-Christians for that matter, that read it even though they knew it was not representing Christ properly.

Kwame said...

<< However, don't you think that it could be possible that this man got a vision from God regarding all of the issues mentioned in his book? >>

Sure it’s possible; anything is possible, even if not all things are probable. On the other hand, I’m not sure God would find utility in issuing “New York’s gonna get sacked by the Vandals of Islamofascism, poverty and bankruptcy, iff the next President of the U.S. fails to do a good job at presiding over America” kinds of proclamations through modern visionairies or prophets, as it were. In modern history the general trend seems to be one of calamity, trouble and tragedy upon all people--people killed by grenade attacks in church in Pakistan, people shot to death in church in TX and CO, New Orleans almost completely ruined though there are other evil (and perhaps evil-er) areas of the U.S., etc. Therefore, it is questionable at best that Wilkerson has been given visions or prophecies of God.

(And to my knowledge, Wilkerson hasn’t even given any “You are going to win the lotto next Saturday with the winning numbers 2 6 13 51 3 and 10”-kinds of verification predictions or prophecies. If Wilkerson’s predictions are truly to be heeded, one wishes that he would hurry up and prove this.)


<< If the information from Wilkerson is tested through the bible and is sound, what is the trouble with it? >>

Well, there is no testing “New York will go bankrupt” through the Bible when the city did not even exist yet and is not mentioned in the Scriptures. Meanwhile, predict future events all you want if you want, but let no one pass such predictions off as being products of special insight given by God if they are not from God and if one does not have good reason to believe that they are in fact from God.


<< Kwame, I agree that it is important to read reviews of the book. >>

Er, this statement about book reviews is blown out of proportion. There are plenty of books that don’t require one’s reading a review of the thing before buying it. No, the point is that one would do well to avoid buying many books out there on the market and instead, and at best, just read the copies owned by the library, published on the Internet, etc.

Book reviews are not the only things to read either. There are publications out there that deal with the actual arguments presented in various literary works--publications focusing on various particular arguments, not the style of the books and not an outline of what the authors discuss in the books.

(An example might be found in the response piece written up by Dr. Schuh from UCLA’s Linguistics Department and posted at http://www.linguistics.ucla.edu/people/schuh/Papers/language_and_history.pdf). If a person will read that first, then he can avoid running around, hollaring, “Wolofs come from Egypt! Wolofs come from Egypt!” when in fact he has no strong evidence from Civilization or Barbarism in particular that such is the case.

Russ said...

I suppose it should be considered that my earliest readings were from "Mad Magazine" in the 60's. My enjoyment and anticipation of the next month's publication had me on the edge of my seat. So much for my analagy of reviews!

Tracy said...

Kwame, I think I understand what you are trying to say in regard to Wilkerson. It seems like you are saying that it is unlikely that Wilkerson got this vision from God because of how general the information is (along with other reasons). Also, I agree with you on the point of being very careful when claiming that some information you have came directly from God. If you make a claim like that, you better be sure that it is true. Thanks for your posts.

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