Showing posts with label Abortion. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Abortion. Show all posts

Friday, January 04, 2013

Why Your Friends Are Pro-Choice (and What to Do About It)

Here's a great post, as always, by Scott Klusendorf. Klusendorf does a great job focusing on the essential question in the abortion debate...A question that everything hinges on...What is the unborn?

Why Your Friends Are 'Pro-Choice' (And What to Do About It)

Last month I spoke to the Heretics Club at Colgate University. Given the prevailing secular orthodoxy at most universities, I wasn't sure if the term "heretic" applied to the speaker or his listeners!
To my great joy, the turnout was above normal---thanks to excellent promotional work by the two chaplains who sponsor the club. I began with a statement of goodwill: "I'm not here to change your mind on the spot, but to simply lay out my reasons for thinking the pro-life view is true and reasonable to believe. I will argue my case using science and philosophy, as well as discuss the two strongest objections to my view---David Boonin's 'desire' argument and Judith Jarvis Thomson's 'violinist' argument. Then, I hope to hear from you. It will be your turn to ask anything you want, and I'll do my best to give your concerns a fair hearing."
By all accounts, the event was a smashing success. Three secular students told a faculty adviser they were rethinking their views as a result of the talk. A dozen students stayed long after the formal question-and-answer session to pepper me with additional questions.
Of course, not everyone was convinced on the spot. During the extended question and answer, a polite female student replied (paraphrase), "I'm against abortion and will never have one. If one of my friends gets pregnant and wants an abortion, I will do everything I can to talk her out of it. But I don't want the government involved in taking away a woman's choice. I guess that's why I'm against abortion and am pro-choice."
The student was hardly alone. She was echoing the sentiments of millions of Americans who personally dislike abortion but do not identify as pro-life. Their beliefs are perfectly summed up in this popular bumper sticker: "Don't like abortion? Don't have one."

Confusing Moral Claims with Preference Claims

Notice the bumper sticker completely transforms the nature of the abortion debate with a single word---"like."
When pro-life advocates claim that elective abortion unjustly takes the life of a defenseless human being, they aren't saying they dislike abortion. They are saying it's objectively wrong, regardless of how one feels about it. Notice what's going on here. The pro-life advocate makes a moral claim that he believes is objectively true---namely, that elective abortion unjustly takes the life of a defenseless human being. The abortion-choice advocate responds by changing that objective truth claim into a subjective one about likes and dislikes, as if the pro-lifer were talking about a mere preference. But this misses the point entirely. As Francis J. Beckwith points out, pro-life advocates don't oppose abortion because they find it distasteful; they oppose it because it violates rational moral principles.
Imagine if I said, "Don't like slavery? Then don't own a slave." Or, "Don't like spousal abuse? Then don't beat your wife!" If I said such things, you would immediately realize I don't grasp why slavery and spousal abuse are wrong. They are not wrong because I personally dislike them. They are wrong because slaves and spouses are intrinsically valuable human beings who have a natural right not to be treated as property. Whether I personally like slavery or spousal abuse is completely beside the point. If I liked spousal abuse, you would rightly say I was sick! You wouldn't resign yourself to, "I guess abuse is right for you but not for me."
And yet this is precisely what the pro-choicer does. He reduces abortion to a mere preference and then declares, "Hands off! Keep the government out of the abortion business!"

What Do You Mean By 'Keep Government Out'?

Ironically, the pro-choicer fails to recognize two key facts that completely undermine his appeal for government neutrality. First, the federal government is already deeply involved in abortion. In fact, one branch of the government, the federal courts, has completely co-opted the abortion issue---leaving the executive and legislative branches with no say. As law professor Hadley Arkes stated in his testimony before Congress, the courts have exclusive authority to first invent, then broadly apply, the abortion license---leaving the people with no voice on the matter through their elected officials. The American people may talk about abortion all they want, but they have no real say on the matter. Federal judges speak for them.
Second, government neutrality is impossible on abortion. The law either recognizes the unborn as valuable human beings and thus protects them, or it doesn't and permits killing them. By agreeing that human fetuses are fitting subjects for abortion, the federal courts are taking a public policy position that the unborn don't deserve the same protections owed toddlers or other human beings. This is hardly a neutral position; it's an extremely controversial one with deep metaphysical underpinnings. Thus, when people tell me the federal government should stay out of the abortion decision, I take my cue from Arkes and ask, "Including the federal courts?"

The Fix: Ask Why

Here's how I engaged the student at Colgate University. When she said she was personally against abortion but wanted to keep it legal, I asked a very simple question I learned from Greg Koukl: "Why are you against abortion?" When she replied, "Because it's killing, and I personally think it's wrong to do that," I asked: "What does abortion kill?" She was hesitant, but honest: "Um, I guess a human being?"
She's right. If abortion doesn't unjustly kill an innocent human being, why oppose it at all? Then, very gently, I pressed the point home. "Let me see if I understand you correctly---and if I don't, please feel free to clarify. You're personally against abortion because you think it wrongly kills a human being, but you want it to be legal to kill that human being?"
I appreciated her candid reply. "I don't know. I'm still trying to figure that out."
Notice two things I did. First, when she essentially said women have a right to choose, I asked her to complete her own sentence: Choose what? Never proceed without spelling out exactly what will be chosen! Second, once she clarified the choice in question, I asked why she thought that particular choice was wrong. That one question transformed the debate from a discussion about likes and dislikes to one about what's right and what's wrong.
Until that transformation takes place, don't be surprised if your friends are "pro-choice."

Monday, April 09, 2012

Triablogue: If the fetus you save is gay, will you still fight for his rights?

Triablogue: If the fetus you save is gay, will you still fight for his rights?

He has a right to survive, but not all privileges are rights and not all acts are right. In fact, not all slogans and catchphrases are clever either.

Sunday, March 27, 2011

From the archives: Liberal Churches and "Social Justice"

Dusman at Triablogue is/was definitely onto something: Triablogue: Social Justice: Too Missional For Anti-Abortion Gospel Ministry?


(The world really was a different place twenty-one days ago. Back then, blogger.com had a lousy user-interface with HTML formatting and basic paragraph formatting; now its interface is even worse, as if such a thing is possible.)

Sunday, February 13, 2011

Hyperlink Two-fer

Triablogue: Chuck Smith Needs to Repent

Triablogue: Trying to be a Christian

Haven’t followed the former story, but it serves as a reminder that all people stumble or falter, including King David and his son Solomon, hence the later turmoil and division of their kingdoms.

Concerning the latter article, it bears noting that even modern American narrative structure allows for the thematic/chronological distinction: one of the sorts of things that give rise to charges of biblical self-contradictions. Examples: the intro to 16 Blocks and Mission Impossible III.

Saturday, October 16, 2010

Abortion Video

Nice 90 second video from a 16 year old student who heard an LTI (Life Training Institute)speaker at Summit this year.



Very simple and to the point. Not a bad case for life from a 16 year old. Notice the case was made apart from Scripture? Is that a good idea?

Wednesday, October 06, 2010

Suffering Children Should Be Smothered

Yiles! I think the younger woman's face says it all. She can't even believe she just said that if you really love your child and they are suffering, it is better for you to put a pillow over her head and smother her.

Sunday, February 07, 2010

Jury Finds Man Guilty of Murder in Kansas Abortion Provider's Death

Sorry this is old news, but I think it is good that this man was tried and found guilty for murdering the abortion doctor. While I think that abortion is vile and extinguishes the life of an innocent unborn person, this is not helpful to the prolife case on many levels.

Be sure to check out www.prolifetraining.com for the outstanding work Scott Klusendorf does for the pro-life cause.

D.

Saturday, January 30, 2010

Those Terrorist Christian Anti-Abortion Folks Are At It Again-Trying to Take Over the Super Bowl

Focus on the Family is being blocked from taking an ad during the Super Bowl because it is so dangerous to suggest that killing 1,000,000 unborn babies a year is wrong.

"This organization is extremely intolerant and divisive and pushing an un-American agenda," said Jehmu Greene, director of the Women's Media Center, which is coordinating a campaign to force CBS to pull the ad before it airs on Feb. 7.
What is un-American about not wanting a million Americans a year killed? Or what is unAmerican about free speech in advertising. The ad is telling the story of a woman who chose life. They are not even showing aborted fetuses.

"Abortion is very controversial, and the anti-abortion vitriol has resulted in escalated violence against reproductive health providers and their patients," Greene said. "We've seen that clearly with the murder of Dr. George Tiller," the late-term abortion provider who was gunned down in his Kansas church in May 2009.
Which was rightly and prompty denounced by pretty much ALL pro-life groups. This is only controversial when one presupposes the unborn is not human. If they're not, then yes, the actions of the pro-life groups seems strange and repressive for women. IF the unborn is human, then I don't see how it is controversial to want to make it illegal to kill the unborn human person without proper justification.

The interesting thing about the ad is that Pam Tebow's choice to abort was possibly morally justified because her life was considered to be in danger, yet she took the choice of life and that really was divisive of her.

Why is the CHOICE of life the main choice the Pro-choice folks have a problem with?

I wonder if they had a half-naked, bosomy star selling it, it would be okay and not as demeaning toward women.

D.B.

Thursday, January 28, 2010

Quote of the Day- The Real Terrorists

Thankfully this guy didn't end up staying on as the nominee for the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) if he can't even figure out that the vast majority of attacks on America are not done by these folks he says we should be watching.

"Most of the domestic groups that we pay attention to here are white supremacist groups. They're anti-government, in most cases anti-abortion, they are usually survivalist type in nature, identity oriented...Those groups are groups that claim to be extremely anti-government and Christian-identity oriented."

Don't get me wrong, white supremacist groups are despicable. But last time I checked, no white "Chhristian" anti-abortion ran planes into the Trade Center Towers, brought an underwear bomb to blow up a plane, attacked the USS Cole, bombed the Trade Center in the '90s, etc...

But you anti-abortion Christian folks that don't like the Government, we better keep an eye out for you...

Tuesday, January 05, 2010

John Piper- Abortion Comments For Obama

This is a video (3:25) in response to a comment, early on in Obama's Presidency. It had to do with Obama's comments about abortion. I think Piper's response (www.desiringgod.org) is quite moving and right on the button.

Friday, June 05, 2009

Bio Ethics- This is What "Choice" Does

Everyone against abortion, please raise your hand.

This is the choice that Pres. Obama and countless others want to keep legal. Let us be reminded who the choice really is hurting.

Friday, May 22, 2009

Obama's Abortion, I mean Commencement Speech

What place does a talk on abortion have at a graduation speech? Obama spoke on Sun. to a crowd of graduating students at Notre Dame. Some protesters protested outside sometimes causing a disturbance, with some arrests.


But Obama called for "open hearts, open minds, fair-minded words" in the midst of such persistent debates.

He said the issue of abortion stands as the single greatest example of a controversy that tests Americans' ability to respectfully seek common ground.

He said the views of the two sides of the debate are "irreconcilable" but can be honored.

Is common ground possible? I think on the surface, it is sometimes possible. Many people say they are "persoanally against abortion". Of course, this "moderate pro-choice view often is followed with, "but I think women should be allowed to have them. This seems to be Pres. Obama's view, also.

The main propblem with this view is the primary question, "What Is the Unborn?" If the unborn is not an innocent human being, why should we limit or reduce or be against abortion? Have one! Everybody now!

IF the unborn is human, should we be allowed to kill the unborn for the reasons often given for abortion? The moderate pro-choice seems to be this if the unborn is human: "I am personally against abortion because it takes the life of an innocent human being, and women should be allowed to do it."

As Greg Koukl and Scott Klusendorf often say, If the unborn is not human, no justification for abortion is necessary; but if the unborn is human, no justification for abortion is adequate.

Monday, March 30, 2009

Another Reason To Dislike ACLU

ACLU Urges California District to Let Kids Leave School for Medical Treatment Without Parental Consent

The ACLU is threatening to sue a California school district after it changed a
policy to require teenagers get parental consent to leave campus for
confidential medical services.

The Vista Unified School District board voted unanimously Thursday to change its existing policy that allowed students to be excused for confidential appointments — including abortions — without notifying parents, according to the North County Times.

The ACLU of San Diego County and the National Center for Youth Law claim the new policy violates state law, KPBS reported.

According to lawyers, California allows young people to leave school without parental consent to deal with sexual, mental, substance abuse or reproductive health issues, the station reported.

But school trustees say that depends on how the law is interpreted.

Several parents addressed the board saying under no circumstances would they want their children leaving school without their knowledge, especially to seek medical procedures that could include an abortion, the Times reported.


---I would be very upset (to say the least) if my child left the school for a medical procedure I didn't know about. Even getting a tooth out.

Others expressed concern over students who face parental abuse.

"Often the kids would rather die than tell their parents," local pediatrician John Rott
said. "I think the effect on our most vulnerable children will be a negative one."

---No kidding!! What child wants to tell their parents they are pregnant under the best circumstances (ie..non married circumstances). Being embarassed or ashamed is far different than being abused. How many parents actually abuse their children once they find out they are pregnant? I'm sure it happens, but very rarely is my guess.

ACLU's David Blair Loy told KPBS that Vista is opening itself up to lawsuits and
the civil rights group will consider one if the district keeps the policy.

“Any public entity, school district, city government that is actively
breaking the law or enacts a policy that violates the law is open to litigation
to strike down the policy,” Blair said.

Friday, January 30, 2009

Video: Pro-Life Ad Rejected For Super Bowl



"The ad shows a beautiful picture of an unborn child during an ultrasound and asks what would happen if President Barack Obama had been a victim of abortion." Yeah, I guess that is an offensive question to ask...

After several days of negotiations, an NBC representative in Chicago told the group late yesterday that NBC and the NFL are not interested in advertisements involving “political advocacy or issues.” …

“But that’s not what they told PETA,” he said about the network’s recent decision to reject an ad from the animal rights group. “There’s no doubt that PETA is an advocacy group. NBC rejected PETA’s ad for another reason altogether.”

---So, as usual, it is conservative issues that take a hit in the liberal media. Not surprising. It kind of makes me wonder why the Dems want to impose the "Fairness Doctrine" to control conservative talk radio... Oh, yeah, it is because they don't currently control the conservative talk radio market.

I wonder why they are not pushing for "Fairness" in television?

D.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Obama Lifts Ban on Overseas Abortion Funding

President Obama on Friday lifted a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing a policy of his predecessor, George W. Bush.

---Why is the Left so concerned about killing the babies in all countries? Are the 3,000 a day here in the US not enough? It was sadly not a surprise, since this was one of the promises of Pres. Obama. So, in the spirit of unity, everyone gets to help pay for foreign abortions, whether you like it or not.

I thought Pres. Obama wanted to decrease abortions at one point in his campaign? I guess not enough to actually do anything about it. But, hey, the terrorists won't be mistreated anymore...

Tuesday, December 09, 2008

Christmas: Need Gift Idea? How About an Abortion?

Planned Parenthood of Indiana now offering gift certificates

This year, give the gift of convenience.

“People are making really tough decisions about putting gas in their car
and food on their table, so we know that many women especially put healthcare at
the bottom of their list to do,” said Chrystal Struben-Hall, Vice President of
Planned Parenthood of Indiana…

“They can be seen for sexually transmitted disease screenings, HIV
tests and general prostate exams and those kinds of things,” said
Struben-Hall.

Some Hoosiers 24-Hour News 8 talked to asked if the gift
certificates could be used towards abortions. The answer is yes. But, Planned
Parenthood said that’s not the purpose of the gift certificates…


Indiana Family Institute President Curt Smith said he is appalled
by the certificates.
“I think the way to help family planning is to give the
money where there’s no agenda. So if somebody wants to help a woman at a time of
crisis, they can support the life centers throughout Indiana,” said Smith.

Think of it not so much as a gift certificate than as a receipt, in
case Santa left something under your tree that you’d like to “return.”


Exit question: What kind of relationship would you have to have with someone for a gift certificate from Planned Parenthood to be appropriate? If you’re buying for your significant other, cash works just as well. If you’re buying for friends, um … what’s the message there? “Merry Christmas, buddy. The next prostate exam’s on me.”

Thanks to Hot Air for the commentary.

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Abortion Survivor Speaks Against Obama

Thanks to Hot Air for todays links and commentary. I heard Jenna years ago (and again recently) on James Dobson's show and was inspired by her then and now. I just cannot fathom why anyone would think it is okay to kill the unborn knowing that it is a human life. Here's Hot Air:

A new pro-life group comes out swinging today, and it chose a powerful
spokeswoman for their cause. Gianna Jesson survived a saline abortion 31 years
ago, and has fought to stop the barbaric practice of leaving such living infants
to die by abortionists unwilling to face the failure of their procedure. Jesson
testified in 2001-2 to get Congress to pass the Born Alive Infant Protection
Act, and now she joins Born Alive Truth to point the finger at the only current
member of the Senate to have voted against such a bill:

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Obama’s support for infanticide breaks into mainstream media

The Washington Post became the first major media outlet to finally acknowledge what David Freddoso and National Review have reported for weeks — that Barack Obama had not told the truth about his vote for the Illinois version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Jonathan Weisman gets the chronology correct and notes that Obama’s committee had added the neutrality clause that Obama claims was not part of the bill before Obama killed the legislation in his committee.

Click here for the full blog post by Hot Air

Monday, May 26, 2008

Faith Affects Voting

Whether or not we realize it, our beliefs, our faith affects how we view the world and subsequently how we vote. This is one of those topics that has implications whether you adhere to any faith or no faith. Many folks seem to think that because they do not belong to any church or synagogue that they are somehow better able to deal with public policy issues than those “religious nuts” who actually believe that the Bible is true.

Believe it or not, ideas have consequences. What or whom you have faith in can, and generally does, affect how you vote. I will illustrate how this is true in the area of abortion. Before I do, I need to clarify a few items.

It is helpful to define the term “faith”. Many people mischaracterize faith as a blind leap of faith, or religious wishful thinking. However, the case can be made that faith really means trust. I was a large boy growing up. I did not interact well with most patio furniture. I could not put my trust in that furniture because it was not reliable.

We all put our trust in something. However, we must find out if that which we put our trust is truly reliable to hold us up. Many people put their faith, or trust, in God. Some put their faith, or trust, in government.

Those who believe in God generally believe that they must do what they can to affect the society for the sake of good versus doing just what affects them selfishly. Good versus evil. Right versus wrong. They believe in traditional Judeo/Christian values (and it doesn’t matter if you are a part of either religion-I am speaking to the overarching values). One of the main roles of government, then, is to protect the innocent. And a main issue that illustrates this is the issue of abortion.

Many folks believe that the unborn is a human being, distinct from its parents, and deserving of the chance to live. They do not believe that this should be a right, women have, to kill something that is not a part of their body. [Incidentally, if it is a boy child, he has a penus. Mom doesn’t. Therefore, not a woman’s body and not to be killed- this is a very rough characterization of one pro-life position]

Because this view is guided by their trust in God and a desire to do the right thing, their faith will and should influence how they vote.

Consequently, if you put your trust in something other than God, that faith, or trust, will affect how you vote. If you don’t believe God creates people, that they are valuable from conception, then that will affect how you vote.

Monday, January 14, 2008

Abortion Drug

16 Weeks

This story struck me as kind of strange. This man is accused of slipping an abortion drug into her drink without her knowing. Even though what he did is obviously a criminal act, if the allegations are true, it seems nonsensical that if he were to encourage her to take the same pills on her own, all would be fine. Her "choice" would be applauded.

Folks, the baby does not change in value just because the mom wants him/her. It should be criminal to cause that baby harm whether the boyfriend gives her the pill or she gives herself the pill.

Wisconsin is one of 37 states with a "fetal homicide" law, according to the
National Conference of State Legislatures. Under the 1998 law, anyone who
attacks a pregnant woman and injures or kills her fetus could face life in
prison.

To paraphrase Greg Koukl, of Stand to Reason, if the unborn is not a human, no justification to kill it is necessary; and if that unborn is a human person, no justification is adequate.

Its value does not change based on its Size, Level of Development, location, degree of dependancy, or its wantedness. Sorry, I didn't include the link to Life Training Institute for good prolife information and resources.

Derrick